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most people who got Last Epoch working used Cryoutilities you should always have a look on protondb when having trouble and see if others have the same issue and if / how they fixed it. I had a similar problem helping a friend getting Battlefield V running, running out of RAM and crashing
the Steam Deck should be considered a first gen device with lots of early adopter jank.
Valve should really make it clear that while most games work OOTB but you are going to almost inevitably stumble some trouble sooner or later, while the Store page is all positive "your games everywhere" should have a few *
Newer games speak the same language as older games, but they might be using different tech, middleware, or ways of doing things. Proton might not understand some of these new things immediately, so it can't translate them, meaning they don't work. Thankfully, Proton itself is constantly being updated and improved, so what doesn't work today may very well work fine tomorrow. It's an ongoing effort. Also the games that don't work seem to be minority at least. Most of what you can throw at Proton will "just work", barring certain aggressive anti-cheat or kernel level DRM.
I can't tell you how to use your Deck, but I think if you're going to approach it with a console mentality, it might make more sense to use it like it's a console. On a console, the games that are available are the games that are available, and there's no playing Halo on the Playstation, for example. You can't play Super Mario World on the Sega Genesis. With the Steam Deck, if you stick to just "Steam Deck Verified" titles and never leave game mode, you'll get that console-level experience with very few if any roadblocks at all. There are thousands of verified titles at this point, so you won't run out of things to play, and they add to that list every day.
Outside of treating it like a console and just sticking to verified games, you will be expected to do a little tinkering, adjusting, fiddling, etc. Most of the time this is enough to play what you want, but not every time. Some games just won't work at all, or won't work well enough to enjoy. Maybe Proton will update to fix that. Maybe it won't.
Right. It's a PC, and sometimes with a PC you're expected to put a little more work in and have a little more patience. If this isn't something you can handle, you should have bought a Nintendo Switch instead.
Incorrect. You only lose your warranty if you specifically break something as a result of having opened it.
Usually they do, but sometimes you have to make some adjustments. And seldom the game just won't work at all.
Because the problem you're experiencing isn't one problem you can apply one fix to. It's several problems specific to the games you're trying to play. A Proton update might fix it later, or the developer needs to fix something.
I swear, maybe there should be a kind of "Is the Steam Deck right for me?" questionnaire at purchase so they can discourage people with incorrect expectations from buying one. There are plenty of devices out there better suited for your use-case. It's not Valve's fault you failed to properly research what you were buying.
>sell pc as console
>can't change setting in your bios, or the thermal paste, do it and you will lose your warranty
>have tons of problems, even with playable/verified games
>expect the user to go to protondb to solve his problems
>expect the user to void his warranty with cryoutilities
>expect the user to do it every single time he finds a problem because the user is a software engineer
yeah, no. this device doesn't work as a console does, it behaves like a pc (surprise surprise, because that's what it is).
correct, i've tried emulators too. not supported means it's not supported, yet they all still work kinda well. still no excuse when some playable/verified games have problems that lock your system (if you don't shut it down it can physically hurt the APU. it's complex, but super dissappointing nonetheless.
I won't stop, it's was nice getting to play World of Warcraft with it.
That said, so many games still have so many problems that I can't fix. THAT should change.
And yes, I think a widespread fix for the memory leaks on the operating system level CAN BE DONE.
My first PC was a 486. The Steam Deck is amazing but has MANY FLAWS you seem to refuse to see.
Cheers.
if you only use Steam games you could be lucky and everything works but as soon as you are going outside Steam you better learn a bit how Proton works and the whole Prefix thing, cause I see a lot of people nuking their install by remoing the non-steam game from steam expecting the game was "installed" not knowing that doing that it deletes the Prefix along with the game on the "C:\" drive.
and as I said before Valve should really make it clear what getting a Deck means,
it's both the easiest way to game on PC and the hardest cause as soon as you step out of the "console-like" experience of Gamemode you are thrown into an Immutable Arch distro and removing the readonly protection and messing with it with no linux knowledge it's very easy to bork something and have to reimage the deck.
but in their defense, they are not selling the Deck in a supermarket for the casual audience and I have never seen any kind of marketing for the Deck out in the wild, they problably thought that the usual Steam user being a PC gamer is used to some Windows Jank, and just have to adapt to Linux Jank
As far as voiding Warranty if you don't cause the damage when swapping SSD / Paste I doubt Valve would care too much, and AFAIK cryoutilites doesn't damage the deck in any way
I see them plain as day. The Steam Deck is far from perfect. My goal isn't to defend the Deck as some perfect and flawless device. My goal is to encourage people to research the device before they buy one so they understand it's flaws, it's strengths, and it's capabilities to ensure that it will actually meet their needs and expectations before they buy one. If more people did this, we would see fewer complaints on the forums.
As much as I am a fan and advocate for the Steam Deck, I don't shy away from recommending something other than the Deck to many people. I love my Deck OLED. I use it daily. It meets my needs and expectations. It exceeds them in many regards, but that might not be true for someone else. No matter how good the Deck is. No matter what it's virtues and and features, if someone wants to play... say... Call of Duty, or Fortnite, or Destiny 2 on it, they're not going to be happy with it. I genuinely want people to be happy with their Steam Deck, so I steer those I suspect won't be happy with it away from it.
Unfortunately, usually, I'm too late. They've already spent the money, and they're already unhappy. This is something that could easily have been avoided by just doing the tiniest modicum of research before plopping down the minimum $400 to get one, but alas.
That would indicate that in fact you don't understand the problem. There isn't "one fix" for "memory leaks". They are a result of flaws in coding which doesn't appropriately deallocate memory. Not everyone programs things the exact same way. Not everything being programed has been done before and thus has a standardized method. Not every piece of software has the same level of complexity; and the more complex a piece of software is the more prone to unintended errors, such as failure to deallocate a memory resource when it is no longer needed.
I'd love to hear your proposed solution that "CAN BE DONE" at an "operating system level" which solves all memory leaks; It'd be worth quite a bit of money because Windows & macOS need it too.
Even more so, probably can be done on Proton, so any game wouldn't get "outside" the correct parameters.
Take a look on how they fixed those games, then come back and say I don't understand the problem. I'm not saying they will fix the games, I'm saying at least the entire device doesn't crash. Do you know what a buffer overflow is? Well, this is very similar.
If a game is asking for 32 GB of RAM, WHY DOES THE DEVICE HAS TO STOP WORKING? Makes no sense. Tell me I need more RAM, tell me the device is not compatible, whatever. JUST DON'T TRY TO RUN IT AND CRASH. Isn't this logical and reasonable? I'm not trying to run Crysis at 4K. I'm just trying to get a stable session of my "officially supported" games. That's it.
Valve can only fix libraries stacks they control. Previous memory bugs affects d3d11 and vulkan calls allocations and Valve can write workarounds in driver. I do not think Valve can fix bugs in the application itself.
Do you understand how virtual address space works? Applications ask for more RAM than what the system allows all the time. Applications have to limit their ram usage themselves because asking for RAM does not mean it will use all the RAM at once. Like I said, OS does not know how the Application wishes to use system resources.
https://lwn.net/Articles/253361/
Edit: Make a bug report here
https://github.com/ValveSoftware/Proton/issues
and maybe here too
https://github.com/ValveSoftware/SteamOS/issues
They will debug it and see whether they can do anything.
Likely so. Didn't tried one so I don't really know, but at least that one has genuine windows stability, even tho it consumes much more.
nah, tell me your secret. it doesn't work as well as the 1.0 for me. huge fps spikes plus the silly memory leak too. tried everything.
"playable" is all i got.
(((btw guys, if it works perfectly on your windows pc but not so much in this linux device, guess which one has the problem. hint: it's not the game's fault and the devs can't do anything aside from releasing an official steam deck support as a linux port)))
https://www.reddit.com/r/ZenlessZoneZero/comments/1ewrixj/steam_deck_issues/
SteamOS has a 1GB default swapfile. Changing it to a higher value will solve almost every similar problem of these.
These are the commands I used to do it:
passwd
sudo steamos-readonly disable
cd /home
sudo swapoff -a
sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=swapfile bs=1G count=4
sudo mkswap swapfile
sudo swapon swapfile
sudo steamos-readonly enable
In this case, you will get a 4GB swapfile. If you want more than 4GB just change "count=X".
I recommend you use 4GB if you have the 256GB model, 8GB with 512GB and 16 with 1TB but you CAN use 16GB with the 256GB model if you're willing to sacrifice a bit of disk space, it's absolutely worth it. I'm no longer having crashes and it also improves the overall stability on a lot of games and you will get less frame spikes.
It's super silly we have to do this (imagine if I didn't know how linux works?) but anyway... PROBLEM SOLVED.