Steam Deck

Steam Deck

The steam deck isn't widely available because it's not a consumer level device
Hear me out, I adore my Steam Deck, I haven't touched my PS5 since last August because the steam deck replaced it pretty much completely for the type of games I play anyway.
I live in Europe, Macedonia (North Macedonia) and the Steam Deck isn't available here. So the way we buy them is by having someone buy it in a supported country and bring it over for us. I personally bought mine used off a guy who bought it initially like this but never really played it much.

This isn't a console I'd ever recommend to a family for their kids or even to average gamers, but I am the audience for the deck, when stuff happens I can figure it out usually, the average person can not and things do happen.

For example I don't have an official or any kind of dock because neither the deck nor docks are available in Macedonia, but I do use a USB Hub to dock it and play on my TV. However from what I've read the issues I have with the hub are also common with the docks too.
When docked I use my Xbox controller for it.

- Controller issues in docked mode or switching between docked and portable mode For example there's a thing where you connect everything up but your controller isn't registering so you have to unplug it and plug it back in. This is normally not a problem, but some games refuse to detect the controller. In some cases, some games split the controller's controls so the control will work in the menu but in-game you have to use the deck itself which is very uncomfortable when connected to an HDMI cable. Things get worse when you switch between docked and undocked mode, your game can be left unresponsive with both the controller and deck controls.


- The screen can just permanently die if you leave the Steam Deck's battery fully drained for a few hours - no fix for this as of yet Even replacing the screen doesn't solve the issue, making it so that the Deck can only be used in docked mode. This would be fine if not for the above issues with some games. You lose portability permanently.
There seems to be a rather complicated for the average user fix for this now though:
https://xdaforums.com/t/how-to-repair-steamdeck-black-screen-of-death-but-touch-docked-mode-still-works.4665647/


- You can add cheats/trainers to your games but more often than not you will suffer control confusion issues. So while the trainers work just fine, the controls might mess up.


- There is a strange issue with the screen developing a bright misty border for no reason on the deck, this fixed itself for me but there is no known fix or a known reason for the issue.

- Sometimes the deck can decide it doesn't want to output to your TV or Monitor anymore via HDMI, there's a topic about that here. It happened to me once a few days ago and it fixed itself after a few restarts and shut downs but others aren't so lucky.


- Some games seem like they don't work on the deck, but they actually do if you input a string of commands in a command line. An example of this is Nex Machina which works PERFECTLY but you must input a thing manually one time. I have a topic about this on the Nex Machina discussion forum here.


These are just a few hang-ups but the biggest issue even for me are the controller problems between docked and portable mode.

The average person just wouldn't be able to handle these problems and it would cause real serious issues for Valve.
Even so the deck, if you know what you're getting into is hands down one of the best and most impressive handheld devices I've ever had, however for many games I'd much rather play them on a TV or Monitor than in handheld mode and that's when problems arise.
Last edited by Oliver; 15 Jul @ 10:21am
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Haruspex 15 Jul @ 11:24am 
I disagree when you say it's not a consumer level device. It absolutely is, just like your PC is, or any PC for that matter. In fact, the Steam Deck is a PC, just running Linux which most people might not really be used to.

When used as intended, the Steam Deck can offer a very easy, streamlined, nearly console-like experience. In fact, I think many people could be very happy never leaving game-mode and just sticking to "Deck Verified" titles, of which there are thousands.

Originally posted by Oliver:
- Controller issues in docked mode or switching between docked and portable mode For example there's a thing where you connect everything up but your controller isn't registering so you have to unplug it and plug it back in. This is normally not a problem, but some games refuse to detect the controller. In some cases, some games split the controller's controls so the control will work in the menu but in-game you have to use the deck itself which is very uncomfortable when connected to an HDMI cable. Things get worse when you switch between docked and undocked mode, your game can be left unresponsive with both the controller and deck controls.
I haven't had my dock very long, but my experience has been mostly fine here. One weird issue I ran into was that the controller order seems to be reversed specifically in Baldur's Gate Dark Alliance, so with two xbox controllers plugged in I had to swap the order of the controllers to be able to properly play co-op. That's probably more an issue with that specific game than the Deck itself though.

Originally posted by Oliver:
- The screen can just permanently die if you leave the Steam Deck's battery fully drained for a few hours - no fix for this as of yet Even replacing the screen doesn't solve the issue, making it so that the Deck can only be used in docked mode. This would be fine if not for the above issues with some games. You lose portability permanently.
There seems to be a rather complicated for the average user fix for this now though:
https://xdaforums.com/t/how-to-repair-steamdeck-black-screen-of-death-but-touch-docked-mode-still-works.4665647/
This was a problem, but since the last BIOS update I haven't seen any complaints about the black screen of death, so it seems like they've fixed it.

Originally posted by Oliver:
- You can add cheats/trainers to your games but more often than not you will suffer control confusion issues. So while the trainers work just fine, the controls might mess up.
That's a problem with the cheats/trainers, not with the Steam Deck.

Originally posted by Oliver:
- There is a strange issue with the screen developing a bright misty border for no reason on the deck, this fixed itself for me but there is no known fix or a known reason for the issue.
LCD screen backlight bleed. All LCDs have it to varying degrees. There were reports of a few where it was particularly bad. In these relatively few cases you can RMA the device, it might fix itself, or some people had luck with twisting the device to resolve it. I've purchased two LCD models now with no backlight bleed issues. They belong to my wife and son now. Of course if you want absolutely zero backlight bleed (because there's no backlight at all), the OLED is there for you.

Originally posted by Oliver:
- Sometimes the deck can decide it doesn't want to output to your TV or Monitor anymore via HDMI, there's a topic about that here. It happened to me once a few days ago and it fixed itself after a few restarts and shut downs but others aren't so lucky.
There are scattered and isolated reports of random issues like this, but know that people experiencing problems are more likely to write about it on the Internet than people who don't. For every 1 problem reported, there are thousands of people enjoying their Steam Decks with no issues, and not writing about it online. Every piece of consumer electronics will have a certain amount of issues. The goal for any manufacturer is to get those issues down to as close to 0% as possible, but 0% is not possible. This is why we have warranties and the RMA process.

Originally posted by Oliver:
- Some games seem like they don't work on the deck, but they actually do if you input a string of commands in a command line. An example of this is Nex Machina which works PERFECTLY but you must input a thing manually one time. I have a topic about this on the Nex Machina discussion forum here.
This is true of a Windows PC too. Lots of old games in particular won't run on modern Windows without some tweaking or 3rd party fixes. Interestingly, Linux via Proton seems to have better compatibility than modern Windows in a lot of old Windows titles.

Originally posted by Oliver:
The average person just wouldn't be able to handle these problems and it would cause real serious issues for Valve.
I think where you're wrong here is you seem to be under the impression that the Deck must provide a flawless, console-like experience under all circumstances. This just isn't what the Deck is. Fundamentally, the Deck is a PC, and PC gaming since the very beginning has always required just a little bit more patience, know-how, and fiddling to get the most out of it. The Deck does borrow a lot from consoles, but at it's core it's still a PC, with all the pros and cons that come with that territory.

Although I love my deck. (I've bought three!) There are people whom I would not suggest purchase a Deck. Anyone with expectations that the Deck is not suitable for should not buy a Deck. I've recommended to lots of people to buy a Windows based handheld instead, or a Switch, or another console. If you expect that seamless console experience, or you want to play certain games with anti-cheat, or you dislike the idea of having to make any adjustments to play games, or you expect zero-compromises performance and the ability to max out all the settings, you should not buy a Steam Deck. You won't be happy with it.

As for the Deck's global availability, that's just because Valve isn't as big a company as Sony or Nintendo, etc. They have less manufacturing experience too. They're growing in this regard though.
Last edited by Haruspex; 15 Jul @ 11:41am
ecockpit89 15 Jul @ 12:01pm 
I'm loving my Steam Deck. Installed both AM2R and Rayman Redemption on there with no issues. The only adjustments I've had to make to any game so far is Super Kiwi 64's resolution.
Oliver 15 Jul @ 12:04pm 
You are wrong on so many of these and it's clear you've posted this just to blindly defend the system for the sake of defending it.

The white borders/misty borders around the screen issue

- IPS Bleed and the misty thing that happens are not the same thing at all, I wish I had recorded it but I didn't, there are other accounts of the issue tho so I can show you what it is.
https://www.reddit.com/r/SteamDeck/comments/123mlq8/white_edges_around_my_screen/
This can also happen on certain PC Monitors and it fixes itself in time, the reason doesn't seem clear as of yet, this is NOT IPS light bleed or any of that
https://youtu.be/setyHZ6xPn4?si=dRTk3ep7Si_ZCZFn

- Denying the controller issues is laughable because you said it yourself, you haven't had the deck for long and you simply haven't experienced as many games as I have.
Try playing:
- Black Widow Recharged - dunno if it's going to do it with the official dock, but with my set up, the game works perfectly in portable mode but when "docked" you have one set of controls for the menu which go through the controller and another set of controls for the in-game stuff which you have to use the actual deck to control

- Trainers and controls messing up
Again your lack of experience shows here as well, the trainers simply run in the background and when you 'alt tab" to them if they require mouse input and don't have keyboard shortcuts the controls can mess up back in game, this has jack all to do with the trainer but rather with how the steam deck's interface functions. Furthermore, trainers that don't have mouse input and require a keyboard only won't even work unless you connect an actual keyboard because pulling up the on-screen keyboard is simply impossible while having certain games running without going through all sorts of settings and what not. That is not consumer level stuff, then again neither is adding trainers so this point is definitely something for us advanced users mostly. I use trainers just fine for the most part.


You are defending the deck for all the wrong reasons, friend.
There is plenty to love about the system but don't try to sweep its glaring issues under the rug.
And yes, it's not a seamless and streamlined console experience, that's what I said in the OP, if it was, it would have been available worldwide like the Switch is. I can just go into a store and pick up a Switch here in Macedonia but I can't do the same with a Deck unless a store went out of its way to import decks.
This is the case with many countries across the world and that's understandable, because the average person wants a seamless experience, they don't want a PC they have to tinker with, they can't understand these things, younger generations glued to their phones are even less capable of understanding technology than us 80's and 90's kids even.

All I'm saying is, the deck isn't a console fit for the average person, it has too many issues.
But for those of us who understand tech more, who understand computers more it's great.
Oliver 15 Jul @ 12:09pm 
Originally posted by ecockpit89:
I'm loving my Steam Deck. Installed both AM2R and Rayman Redemption on there with no issues. The only adjustments I've had to make to any game so far is Super Kiwi 64's resolution.

Well if you think your experience with 3 homebrew/indie non-Steam games can compare to my experience of months on end using the deck and with over 700 Steam games in my library I don't know what the ♥♥♥♥ to tell you lol
There's also the fact that you are clearly an advanced user, the average user wouldn't know how to install these games. I know how to do it, but your average person would not.

My point is, YOU are the target audience for the deck, I am the target audience for the deck, but your average kid who just wants to play games is not.

The average person doesn't even know what the games you installed are man.

I wasn't talking about non steam games even, I'm talking about issues in game mode, with the steam deck and official steam games when you hook a controller up to it and use HDMI.
You are just proving my point

EDIT: Jesus i got all confused with the edit and quote functions and made a mess of the post but it's correct now lol
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Haruspex 15 Jul @ 1:29pm 
Originally posted by Oliver:
- Denying the controller issues is laughable because you said it yourself, you haven't had the deck for long and you simply haven't experienced as many games as I have.
The Dock. I haven't had the dock for long. I bought an LCD Deck within 10 minutes of the device releasing. The games I've tried work fine.

Originally posted by Oliver:
- Trainers and controls messing up
Again your lack of experience shows here as well, the trainers simply run in the background and when you 'alt tab" to them if they require mouse input and don't have keyboard shortcuts the controls can mess up back in game
I don't think the Deck was designed with these cheats in mind. It's up to the cheat makers to make it for the Deck, not for the Deck to support the cheats.

Originally posted by Oliver:
it would have been available worldwide like the Switch is. I can just go into a store and pick up a Switch here in Macedonia but I can't do the same with a Deck unless a store went out of its way to import decks.
And Nintendo is a much bigger company that Valve, and they've been making hardware for a lot longer than Valve has. There's a lot to consider and complex logistics. Where will it ship from, who will deliver, who will handle returns, service and RMA?

Originally posted by Oliver:
the average person wants a seamless experience, they don't want a PC they have to tinker with, they can't understand these things, younger generations glued to their phones are even less capable of understanding technology than us 80's and 90's kids even.
And for these kids who aren't flexible and patient enough to handle a little troubleshooting on PC, I would recommend they steer clear of the Steam Deck and buy a Nintendo Switch instead. It's much more their speed.

Originally posted by Oliver:
All I'm saying is, the deck isn't a console fit for the average person, it has too many issues.
But for those of us who understand tech more, who understand computers more it's great.
I think we fundamentally agree here, even if we would word it differently.
Oliver 15 Jul @ 1:51pm 
yeah, like when I was a kid I had a commodore 64 and many of us kids here in Europe had C64's before we had consoles.
To us, troubleshooting and figuring things out was normal part of home gaming, right? But your average kid these days man, they can't even use computers right because they've been so ...how do I say this without getting modded lol....so spoiled with their "smart" devices.

Take my mom for example, she is 62, she just switched jobs and at her new job they still use notebooks and traditional non digital ways to do her part of the job, she has been using computers and software to do this for decades. She keeps telling them that implementing certain software would change and ease their workflow and make everything faster and more efficient, but her co workers, people younger than me (I'm 40) don't want to hear it.
At her previous job she also couldn't get people much younger than me to accept all this software stuff she uses for her part of the work, but the boss made it mandatory since he is my age and gets computers.

I was a TA for years at college, younger people couldn't do basic file organizing on computers let alone anything more complex. My mom has the same issues with young people at her job, they can't tell files from folders.

I don't blame Valve for the Deck being the way it is, but if society was less smart phone dumb and more computer savvy, a device like the deck wouldn't have been risky to just make widely available everywhere. However in this society, it would just spell disaster for valve, that's my point.
Drak3 15 Jul @ 2:34pm 
Or, hear me out: Valve doesn’t have the logistics to sell the Deck more broadly.
it's definitely not a mainstream consumer device, and i've had posts deleted before for stating this.

in the US at least, valve would never sell their hardware mostly through retail as there are too many issues and quirks. i love my deck, but i've had to mess with it multiple times when the battery died to get it to start. i also have the same wifi issues all other OLED owners have, but it's whatever as i rarely install new games. these things will most likely never be fixed.

using a deck as your only gaming device is just asking for trouble.
Oliver 15 Jul @ 6:23pm 
Originally posted by 🦅 TRUMP ✊🏻 PUMP 🗽:
it's definitely not a mainstream consumer device, and i've had posts deleted before for stating this.

in the US at least, valve would never sell their hardware mostly through retail as there are too many issues and quirks. i love my deck, but i've had to mess with it multiple times when the battery died to get it to start. i also have the same wifi issues all other OLED owners have, but it's whatever as i rarely install new games. these things will most likely never be fixed.

using a deck as your only gaming device is just asking for trouble.

I appreciate the honest and level headed reply instead of just blinding defending the system. We can love the deck AND acknowledge and address its issues, so hopefully the Deck 2 is better.
I didn't know about wifi issues of any kind, mine is an LCD Deck, are they simple to fix and if not would hooking the deck up to an ethernet cable sort things out?
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[?]legit 16 Jul @ 4:59am 
steam deck isn't even remotely close to a consumable product. Linux is an operating system for enthusiasts, not for the mainstream. Then Linux is also a pretty terrible choice for gaming, proton and everything makes things even more complicated. It's a product for PC gamers, who have a strong techincal understanding and the willingness to spend their time with "hacking" and fixing the device instead of playing.
Mahjik 16 Jul @ 6:57am 
What I've experienced since this device that came out is those who use it in pure handheld form and aren't trying to play competitive PVP online games; have the least issues with the Steam Deck. It seems those who attempt to use it as a console rather than a handheld run into the most issues.

I'm not suggesting people should use the device one way or the other. However, as much as I love my Steam Deck, I don't recommend it to friends that are going to run it docked all (or the majority) of the time. I don't think that's it's best use case.
Originally posted by ?legit:
steam deck isn't even remotely close to a consumable product. Linux is an operating system for enthusiasts, not for the mainstream. Then Linux is also a pretty terrible choice for gaming, proton and everything makes things even more complicated. It's a product for PC gamers, who have a strong techincal understanding and the willingness to spend their time with "hacking" and fixing the device instead of playing.
If troubleshooting the Deck is complicated for you, maybe you shouldn't be gaming on PC.
Oliver 16 Jul @ 9:21am 
Originally posted by Mahjik:
What I've experienced since this device that came out is those who use it in pure handheld form and aren't trying to play competitive PVP online games; have the least issues with the Steam Deck. It seems those who attempt to use it as a console rather than a handheld run into the most issues.

I'm not suggesting people should use the device one way or the other. However, as much as I love my Steam Deck, I don't recommend it to friends that are going to run it docked all (or the majority) of the time. I don't think that's it's best use case.

Definitely, the biggest issues arise when you plug an HDMI and a controller in.
I don't know anything about online and competitive gaming, not my thing but for me, due to being severely visually impaired I'd much rather use it as a console than a handheld device when I play big games like RPGs and such. Like I can do some casual arcade games, ROMs, pick up and play stuff on the deck just fine, but something like I dunno Yakuza 0 or Octopath Traveler or what have you is impossible to read for me on the deck.
As long as you don't try to mess with it and use it as a purely handheld device it does have less issues for sure. There are still issues but not as many.



Originally posted by SlowMango:
Originally posted by ?legit:
steam deck isn't even remotely close to a consumable product. Linux is an operating system for enthusiasts, not for the mainstream. Then Linux is also a pretty terrible choice for gaming, proton and everything makes things even more complicated. It's a product for PC gamers, who have a strong techincal understanding and the willingness to spend their time with "hacking" and fixing the device instead of playing.
If troubleshooting the Deck is complicated for you, maybe you shouldn't be gaming on PC.

That was the guy's point and that's my point as well, meaning the deck isn't a consumer level device for the average family to buy and game on.
Originally posted by Oliver:
Originally posted by SlowMango:
If troubleshooting the Deck is complicated for you, maybe you shouldn't be gaming on PC.

That was the guy's point and that's my point as well, meaning the deck isn't a consumer level device for the average family to buy and game on.
By that logic, a standard PC isn't a "consumer level device".
Oliver 16 Jul @ 10:25am 
Originally posted by SlowMango:
Originally posted by Oliver:


That was the guy's point and that's my point as well, meaning the deck isn't a consumer level device for the average family to buy and game on.
By that logic, a standard PC isn't a "consumer level device".

We're looking at the Steam Deck as a console first and foremost, not a PC though.
It gives off the vibes of a streamlined, plug and play device which could mislead many to think it is.
People who buy a computer know it's not for them usually but they learn to do one thing on it and keep doing it until the OS falls apart, then pay someone to do BASIC maintenance for them that anyone should according to people like us, be able to do themselves, but most people can not.
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