War on the Sea

War on the Sea

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Iv. 2024년 7월 24일 오전 9시 43분
Challenge: win without sinking ships
Challenge for experienced players. Win the Operation Watchtower without sinking enemy ships. Do you think this is possible?
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cswiger 2024년 7월 24일 오전 10시 18분 
Nope. I doubt that you've even tried your own challenge.
Rocket Witch 2024년 7월 24일 오전 11시 21분 
Seems like it would be possible if you just got your own troops and supplies onto the objective locations regardless of the enemy presence. Maybe a lot of submarine or destroyer convoys. If you could hyper-focus the objective with minimal losses, I think you do get enough resources to build up faster than the AI's rate of landings and bombardments could bring the port/airfield level down.

At some point you'll need to move the engineering and fuel, though. Holding back until you have more than enough resources to upgrade Guadalcanal completely in one go regardless of freighter losses might be best. Try to arrive at 5AM or something to maximise night time on approach.

I don't know how consistent it is, but you can make AI task forces retreat for repairs if they have damaged ships, so landing single air-dropped torpedo hits (smaller/weaker than the ones fired by ships/subs; less risk of sinking something with a single torpedo, which is uncommon but possible) on everything might work quite well for keeping the map clear.
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Iv. 2024년 7월 25일 오전 2시 33분 
cswiger님이 먼저 게시:
Nope.
I clarified: for experienced players.
cswiger 2024년 7월 25일 오전 8시 41분 
Iv.님이 먼저 게시:
cswiger님이 먼저 게시:
Nope.
I clarified: for experienced players.
Clarify whether you've tried your own challenge?

Or is your lack of experience the excuse for why you haven't even bothered...?
Iv. 2024년 7월 25일 오후 3시 31분 
cswiger님이 먼저 게시:
Clarify whether you've tried your own challenge?
Yep.

I want to clarify one more thing. Your "Nope" was related to my "Do you think this is possible?"?
cswiger 2024년 7월 25일 오후 7시 35분 
Iv.님이 먼저 게시:
cswiger님이 먼저 게시:
Clarify whether you've tried your own challenge?
Yep.
Ah. So, it's not actually a challenge for experienced players.

I want to clarify one more thing. Your "Nope" was related to my "Do you think this is possible?"?
"Related"? Certainly.
thedoginatorgaming 2024년 7월 26일 오전 10시 50분 
it definitely is possible. after all you just have to capture islands. you don't have to sink anything. so you could just get a couple of CAs and a crap ton of MS And AO. use the heavy cruisers for shore bombardment and aircraft for bombing raids. it would just take a long time to do.
cswiger 2024년 7월 26일 오후 12시 43분 
By all means, post a campaign savegame showing your success or, failing that, your best attempt. You do lose the challenge if you accidentally sink an enemy ship, yes...?
Iv. 2024년 7월 29일 오전 12시 58분 
cswiger님이 먼저 게시:
You do lose the challenge if you accidentally sink an enemy ship, yes...?

No. It is possible to simply load the last save. The purpose of this challenge is simply to show that the game mechanics in principle allow you to complete the campaign with such a condition.
Iv. 2024년 7월 29일 오전 1시 05분 
Сswiger, I'm starting to suspect that you're an experienced player. How about my another challenge. No need to play. Just some theory.
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cswiger 2024년 7월 29일 오전 7시 31분 
Iv.님이 먼저 게시:
Сswiger, I'm starting to suspect that you're an experienced player.
Ah.

How about my another challenge. No need to play. Just some theory.
I think your challenges would be tedious and unrewarding even without save-scumming.

However, I'll wait for you to confirm that for yourself.
SEAWOLF 2024년 7월 30일 오전 12시 48분 
Iv.님이 먼저 게시:
Challenge for experienced players. Win the Operation Watchtower without sinking enemy ships. Do you think this is possible?

Thanks for the idea - I am always looking at different ways to play this game. When I finish my WitP campaign I will try this out to see if it is possible or not. As I am using a mod, I will be using the Operation WT campaign from the TTE mod. This version is a much harder than the vanilla one.
Imperator 2024년 8월 4일 오후 8시 12분 
i did not read any other comments yet.. but...

id reckon you could do this...

keep flooding the required ports with troops and such... and you said without sinking, not without damaging or engaging with the enemy... so eventually you might be able to build up enough of a blockade with subs ships and air to continuously engage the enemy inflict heavy damage requiring them to go to port... perpetually
Iv. 2024년 8월 5일 오전 7시 02분 
Imperator님이 먼저 게시:
you said without sinking, not without damaging or engaging with the enemy... so eventually you might be able
But experienced player Cswiger doesn't think this is possible.
How would you comment on this?
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Imperator 2024년 8월 5일 오전 7시 50분 
Iv.님이 먼저 게시:
Imperator님이 먼저 게시:
you said without sinking, not without damaging or engaging with the enemy... so eventually you might be able
But experienced player Cswiger doesn't think this is possible.
How would you comment on this?


his opinion is his, mine is mine. he very well could know something i don't. im not here to debate with others, i just dropped my thoughts on the idea.
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