@Nirasti you seem to have switched from "they're genociding Palestinians" to "there's no reason they wouldn't genocide Palestinians." People that are being systematically mass murdered don't have their population increase.

There's a difference between staying on a topic and only highlighting evils of one side, as if Hamas is a benevolent participant in the political situation. Thanks for confirming Marxism has no connection to human rights. I did say they were a Marxist Corbynite though, which is a UK specific ideology which denotes fanatic pacifism, extreme Marxist rhetoric and infatuation with resistance movements terrorist organisations, such as Hamas.

I have seen no evidence of mass forced sterilisation, which indicates to me that the definition of "restricting birth" is being stretched. And if genocide is happening based on this stretched definition and the two others they gave, then the UN believes that war equals genocide, which is factually incorrect.

@Sm:(e
Israel has millions of Palestinians in their country just like China has millions of Uyghurs in theirs. Policies fueled by ideology don't have to be realistic. There is no indication they wouldn't pursue a total cleansing of a minority regardless of how slowly it has to go, given the patterns of their policies and goals.

Journalists are assigned to stay within a specialty, the same goes for UN officials. Those that specialise on Palestine will stay on Palestine. Those on Xinjiang will stay on Xinjiang. The actual articles do not show signs of disinformation. Also, that one of my sources is Marxist is irrelevant, no? The specific points brought up are unrelated to Marxism, but international law and human rights.

Not a single one of your own citations are from entirely impartial sources either, if those even exist. If you want to argue the claims are just unfounded allegations then this discussion will just devolve into us calling each other liars, which is senseless.

@Nirasti Genocidal countries do not have millions of their supposed genocide targets in their country. Because in order to actually think that would happen, you'd have to expect Israel to mass murder 20% of it's population. Unless of course you also disagree with the demographics of Israel itself?

Looking at your sources, Julian Borger (Guardian), a nearly exclusive anti-Israel reporter.
Owen Dowling (Tribune, on Jacobin) a Marxist Corbynite, interviewing a UN human rights correspondent set up exclusively for Palestine and finally a UN report by the same person as your final source, who came to the conclusion of genocide based on 3 things:

Palestinians being hurt.
Palestinian infrastructure being damaged.
And alleged birth-prevention of Palestinians, which is not elaborated on but as far as I can tell is completely unfounded if the implication is mass forced sterilisation. So no, your sources aren't "level-headed"

@Sm:(e
All demographics data about Palestine are estimates by either the government of Israel, Palestine, or the US. Their claims can be no more or less trusted than that of the government of China. We cannot confirm or deny the difference in population growth.

Furthermore, ineffectiveness does not negate intention. A government unable to fully implement ethnic cleansing is not morally superior. It is like when, as you described it, "radical western journalism" claims that communism was deadlier than fascism - it's impossible to make a fair comparison because the fascist regimes did not last as long as the communist ones.

The reports on suspected genocide in both the Levant and Xinjiang are from outside institutions, sometimes even the same one such as the UN. As for the sources I posted, they seem level-headed in analysis to me. I hold my position that the actions by both governments are the same kind and it is hypocritical to claim one of them as different in this matter.

@Nirasti There are over 2m Palestinians living in Israel. Since the war between Israel and Hamas began back in 2007 the Palestinian population has increased by 1.5m in the state of Palestine. If they truly are committing genocide against the Palestinian people, surely by any measure they aren't doing very well.

Respectfully, the military authority of Palestine, Hamas, is ultimately very good at using civilian infrastructure and radical western journalism to garner sympathy with the ill-informed. War casualties and displacement does not equate to systematic mass murder. If people choose to flee a country at war that is their prerogative.

And you have fundamentally misunderstood my position. Israel simply isn't committing genocide. I don't care about or support Israel's ideology or long term goals, frankly if I could avoid every news item about it I would choose to.

@Sm:(e
However, if you specifically support the ideology and long-term goals of Israel but not of China, then your statement is perfectly valid. But in that case, you would be considering breaches of rights to be just when it is done by a government whose ambitions you are biased in favour of.

So I feel obliged to point out that would make you not an impartial defender of human rights, but a propagator of a specific political agenda. If you're comfortable with that image, then all is fine, but it would be prudent to be more upfront about it.

That's all I would like to leave for you and anyone else here to consider.

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