I gotta agree. This is why so many people go to their biggest competitor, GoG; they personally test and vet the performance of the games submitted and include fan patches with titles. Amazing honestly.

It wouldn't be hard for Steam to do the same. They have the money to put together a small team to test games submitted to the platform and it's not hard for them to include fan patches in games.

That said for Deus Ex, Revision exists and it's the definitive way to play honestly. An official release on Steam, with achievements - you can even select the original maps and OST in the settings to make it like vanilla.

I agree with the sentiment in this thread; I've tried various ways of getting this thing to work, including downloading the patched EXE from Kentie.net as well as various DLLs, but the inventory bug still significantly impacts my ability to play the game, and everything is incredibly dark.

I'd like to play this "granddaddy of immersive sims" title, but after a few hours of monkeying around with it, and trying to tough it out, it's just not worth it any more.

Bugs or not (witch BTW I have not encountered) , we should NOT wish for ANY platform to not try to preserve our favorites from the golden era. KEK be praised.

There are ways to fix many of the problems or at least someone has the chance to.

If you are unable to troubleshoot PC games, I think you should not be using a PC to play games. Get a console.
This is EXACTLY what it is like playing PC games, you have to fix ini files or download patches.
PC gaming is for enthusiasts who are bale to do this stuff.
It's only more recently that PC games just work "out of the box"

The one issue though, steam says you need windows 10 (or linux) to use it, yet this game probably wont work on windows 10.
Maybe it works in compatibility modes but this is wrong to sell broken games after forcing the user to move to a terrible OS that the games don't work on.

Originally posted by Stinkyremy:

If you are unable to troubleshoot PC games, I think you should not be using a PC to play games. Get a console.
This is EXACTLY what it is like playing PC games, you have to fix ini files or download patches.
PC gaming is for enthusiasts who are bale to do this stuff.
It's only more recently that PC games just work "out of the box"

The one issue though, steam says you need windows 10 (or linux) to use it, yet this game probably wont work on windows 10.
Maybe it works in compatibility modes but this is wrong to sell broken games after forcing the user to move to a terrible OS that the games don't work on.

wow you are just completely wrong entirely.
That is complete and utter elitism and gatekeeping for no reason, as stated above, GOG ALREADY does EXACTLY what I proposed so why cant steam?

Please come with some sort of intellect at the very least.

Yo, I see what you mean! Oddly enough, after having been a PC gamer for several years now, as well as a 3D/cgi hobbyist for a couple years because of it, having to do all these fixes to the older games (while very understandable due to their age and compatibility issues) is still irritating!

I literally feel like I could just show up to a cert school and ace the whole class, no problem, after fiddling around with these damn games so often. It ain't our fault the older games are so good, but damn if it ain't a pain in the ass sometimes!

Sometimes, you just wanna click The Big Blue Button and vege out in Gameland and forget about your backlog (and life) for a little while! lol

Originally posted by Herb:

Originally posted by 0b:

wow you are just completely wrong entirely.
That is complete and utter elitism and gatekeeping for no reason, as stated above, GOG ALREADY does EXACTLY what I proposed so why cant steam?

Please come with some sort of intellect at the very least.

It is gatekeeping behaviour but it is still true. Companies aren't going to keep these games functional forever and it would be ridiculous (and impossible) to ask them to for obvious reasons. And before anyone asks for these obvious reasons I'll name loss of source code and company going belly up as easy examples.

As for GOG, it's not really true. So, so many games still have plenty of issues that require outside sources for fixes and some issues may be unfixable at all. It's just the nature of the beast and unfortunately it either requires the users to adapt and do some legwork themselves or just simply ignore old games altogether. Finding community patches, installing and figuring out DGVoodoo, figuring out dosbox settings, searching pcgamingwiki for solutions and tinkering are all something that you are in very good likelihood required to do regardless of where you buy.

Hell, some games have it better on Steam like Gothic since it has community workshop you can literally just click and install the patch to make it work better on modern machines. On GOG you have to figure stuff on your own.

Its not unreasonable to ask for steam to do the bare minimum for game stability.
As an example xbox patched hundreds of old 360 games to have 60+fps, games they didn't have source code to.

Please dont defend a multi-billion dollar TITAN like steam, the largest gaming platform in the world, saying its unreasonable to ask them to help support older games.
like it can easily have a section called community support workshop that functions like the workshop.

Originally posted by Herb:

It is gatekeeping behaviour but it is still true. Companies aren't going to keep these games functional forever and it would be ridiculous (and impossible) to ask them to for obvious reasons. And before anyone asks for these obvious reasons I'll name loss of source code and company going belly up as easy examples.

Okay? No one is asking defunct companies like Ion Storm to rise from the dead and make overhauls and updates of the game in 2024?

People are only asking for Steam to apply basic *already existing* community patches, sourceports and PCGamingWiki tweaks out of the box (or as he said at least a workshop that does that). Not even asking Steam to constantly keep up with community developments either, as some of these patches have been around for literal decades at this point.

Quake had literally the easiest fix ever before the 2021 release. You just needed to download Quakespasm and the soundtrack files and plop them in the install folder and the game would work on anything. But Steam was content to just leave it with betatest screenshots on the storepage, the old GLQuake and Winquake execitables that run like ♥♥♥♥ on *any* modern OS, and a complete lack of music. Why excuse that level of apathy from Valve? Bundling those things with the game, fixing the store page, and including them in a launch option is very far removed from "ridiculous and impossible".

As for GOG, it's not really true.

It's not true in every case, it's true in plenty of cases.

Believe you me, I have a LOT I would criticise Valve over

You'll forgive me if I don't believe you on that whatsoever.

After modding games for so long now I can agree 100%.