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\\\\\\\ 17. nov. kl. 3:23
A short list of suggestions with minor changes
First off, I'd like to thank the developers for the Rat perk buff.
Seriously, that perk actually makes sense now. Thanks for that.
I think small changes like that should be added to other things as well.

1. Make shields cheaper. They are completely unpopular. Lowering the price of shields allowed more players to use shields without giving up perks or armor, because they are still inferior to two-handed weapons. I suggest making Targe 3 instead of 5, Heater shield 5 instead of 6, Kite shield 7 instead of 9, Buckler 7 instead of 9, Round shield 9 instead of 12.

2. Add an option to disable the appearance of voting in the settings. Votes are often just annoying when they appear and I have to constantly be distracted by them and press PgDn. I don’t even read anymore who is being voted against and why. They are spammed against each other without any meaning. I would like to just not see them, because most often any vote ends in nothing.

3. Limit the number of musical instruments in Invasion and Frontline matches. These are team matches, where every player on the team will count. And if suddenly 3 or 5 out of 24 players start doing some kind of crap, then the team's chance of winning can be greatly reduced. Especially now, when the online has become noticeably less than before.

4. If you do not remove musical instruments in team matches, then give musical instruments some purpose. Let them regenerate stamina or health faster for surrounding allies when playing instruments, or increase running speed or damage or damage reduction for enemies. Do something so that these useless musicians bring some benefit to the team instead of just taking up space in the team.

5. Finally add a light crossbow from Horde mode. Make it weaker than the regular crossbow, but let it be. Just so as not to cause motion sickness and lingering in place with a regular crossbow.

6. Add more types of shields and weapons. This is not a small addition, but it would still be very nice to see. After all, people have been asking for weapons\armor\shields of Greece, Rome, Japan for many years.
I understand that even for a normal one-handed spear, for example, we will have to make a new animation, so we only have a "short spear" with a one-handed sword animation. But we can add types of weapons that will not require new animations. At least in the form of a paid skin pack.

7. Give the option to increase the first person fov to 110 or 115. The third person view gives a big advantage in the view compared to the first person view, which is not very fair.

I hope the developers will hear me.
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Mumblez 17. nov. kl. 3:52 
Shields and targes have been balanced the way they are for a while. They are explicitly to give far better stamina game with othrwise crappy stam 1 handers. bastard sword and messer in particular benefit TONS. They also passively block projectiles. It changing isn't likely.
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I mean, I GUESS you can ignore votes? though hopefully one would care about votekicks enough to actually vote intelligibly. Doubt this is such a problem.

Given the meme element of the game, no, I'm very against limiting them, even worse that they are cheap items anyone can carry, and not everyone will be USING it. Far more trouble of a change than its worse, let people meme in peace.

Instruments were ENTIRELY a meme, or to be used with lute-bot to play music. Suggesting they become like a dnd bard is ill fitting for the game, and introduces new, unwanted balance headaches. No. This was never the intent of them, don't fix what isn't broke.

No comment on crossbow, I don't play horde. I mean I guess, chiv had 3 level of crossbow so....whatever, I guess? But at that rate, will it be worth it compared to a recurve? meh, whatever.

When you say add more shields / weapons, I BELIEVE you mean skins, since actual weapons are pretty flushed out.
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\\\\\\\ 17. nov. kl. 4:26 
Oprindeligt skrevet af Mumblez:
Shields and targes have been balanced the way they are for a while. They are explicitly to give far better stamina game with othrwise crappy stam 1 handers. bastard sword and messer in particular benefit TONS. They also passively block projectiles. It changing isn't likely.
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I mean, I GUESS you can ignore votes? though hopefully one would care about votekicks enough to actually vote intelligibly. Doubt this is such a problem.

Given the meme element of the game, no, I'm very against limiting them, even worse that they are cheap items anyone can carry, and not everyone will be USING it. Far more trouble of a change than its worse, let people meme in peace.

Instruments were ENTIRELY a meme, or to be used with lute-bot to play music. Suggesting they become like a dnd bard is ill fitting for the game, and introduces new, unwanted balance headaches. No. This was never the intent of them, don't fix what isn't broke.

No comment on crossbow, I don't play horde. I mean I guess, chiv had 3 level of crossbow so....whatever, I guess? But at that rate, will it be worth it compared to a recurve? meh, whatever.

When you say add more shields / weapons, I BELIEVE you mean skins, since actual weapons are pretty flushed out.

1. Regarding the price of shields and their usefulness, I think it's hard to talk about balance when 80-90% of players in matches use two-handed weapons. This fact alone suggests that something needs to be changed, at least slightly in the price of shields, for example.

2. I didn't quite get you. Is there really an option in the settings to turn off voting so that they don't appear on the screen and distract?

3. I think the meme element ruins this game. It would be better if it were in deathmatches or duels, where it won't interfere with players from team matches.
This was acceptable when there were at least 10k players in the game. Right now there are 802 of them on Steam. Most players in team matches DO NOT do stupid things, do not be friends with the enemy team, but try to participate in battles and win matches.
Now even a small number of musicians and jokers can ruin everything for the whole team.

4. Regarding weapons and shields, we just need something new. Gladius, Copis\Machaira, Macuahuitl, Scutum, Hoplon, Dory. Anything new and unusual, at least in the form of skins.

The game is dying and suffocating, the number of players is gradually decreasing and it is very sad if the developers share your point of view even regarding those little things that I listed in my list of suggestions, which could at least shake up this drying swamp a little.
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Mumblez 17. nov. kl. 4:51 
Its not dying from lack of content as much as bad moderation. It was ONCE known, and liked as being like a video game form of 4chan, and well liked for that. And the moderators cracked down on it, banning big players and perma muting them, and driving off content creators like deargrigh, when the people who complained didn't REALLY make up the playerbase anyway.

The shield perhaps isn't well understood for you, the shield gives passive projectile protection, and much better stam game. Its well worth it, and yes, bigger weapons are used MORE, because more players don't TRY to use stam game over just attempting to gamble a kill. Doesn't mean its bad.

I don't know if you can turn it off. Just seems a minor gripe.

I think arbitrary limiting peoples ability to equip a lute wold do more damage than a few games with people being goofy, since this will happen anyway no matter what, be it lutes, or friendly medpack dudes, or pugilists, or peasant classes. It is what it is.

Skins are skins, whatever, but I'm not sure how much more unique weapon types there could be.
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[‡]=Storky=[‡] 17. nov. kl. 5:02 
Oprindeligt skrevet af \\\\\\\:
First off, I'd like to thank the developers for the Rat perk buff.
Seriously, that perk actually makes sense now. Thanks for that.
I think small changes like that should be added to other things as well.

1. Make shields cheaper. They are completely unpopular. Lowering the price of shields allowed more players to use shields without giving up perks or armor, because they are still inferior to two-handed weapons. I suggest making Targe 3 instead of 5, Heater shield 5 instead of 6, Kite shield 7 instead of 9, Buckler 7 instead of 9, Round shield 9 instead of 12.

2. Add an option to disable the appearance of voting in the settings. Votes are often just annoying when they appear and I have to constantly be distracted by them and press PgDn. I don’t even read anymore who is being voted against and why. They are spammed against each other without any meaning. I would like to just not see them, because most often any vote ends in nothing.

3. Limit the number of musical instruments in Invasion and Frontline matches. These are team matches, where every player on the team will count. And if suddenly 3 or 5 out of 24 players start doing some kind of crap, then the team's chance of winning can be greatly reduced. Especially now, when the online has become noticeably less than before.

4. If you do not remove musical instruments in team matches, then give musical instruments some purpose. Let them regenerate stamina or health faster for surrounding allies when playing instruments, or increase running speed or damage or damage reduction for enemies. Do something so that these useless musicians bring some benefit to the team instead of just taking up space in the team.

5. Finally add a light crossbow from Horde mode. Make it weaker than the regular crossbow, but let it be. Just so as not to cause motion sickness and lingering in place with a regular crossbow.

6. Add more types of shields and weapons. This is not a small addition, but it would still be very nice to see. After all, people have been asking for weapons\armor\shields of Greece, Rome, Japan for many years.
I understand that even for a normal one-handed spear, for example, we will have to make a new animation, so we only have a "short spear" with a one-handed sword animation. But we can add types of weapons that will not require new animations. At least in the form of a paid skin pack.

7. Give the option to increase the first person fov to 110 or 115. The third person view gives a big advantage in the view compared to the first person view, which is not very fair.

I hope the developers will hear me.

1. There are 2 worlds - Crowd fighting and 1v1. Shields already are very good in 1v1.
Afaik, the single parameter, that helps to nerf smth fine in the crowd but OP in the duel and vice versa is - stamina management. Stam matters in 1v1 and quite doesn't in the crowd. Shields have bad stamina managements that helps to nerf them in 1v1.

The reason why we don't use shields is the usability. They take one slot, and they have to be equipped separately. It is not comfortable. Also they are balanced with expensive 2h weapons, that have nice damage and very good reach.
tldr shields are balanced, but less comfortable, Why people would use them?

2. Kick vote supposed to solve some problems and very bad people spam it and you ignore it. Actually it is the goal of spamming to make you press pgup to shut one up.

We need the opposite - more votes. The Mute vote, for example, to shut vote spammer without kicking him.
It is very bad devs haven't seen and not considering the design of the greatest online slasher - Savage1. We had/have many votes there, and yes, usually vote spammer get votemuted quikly.

3. Community hates even the exisitng level of dictatorship, lol

4. Good bard with a good taste really makes people to hold position around him. It works on the human level.

5. agree
6. agree + the skin name should appear in the killfeed instead of the weapon base. Like it must be shown that player killed with a Glaive, for example.
7. agree, but only for open helmets. I worn a bascinet with visor, holes are quite close to the eyes, I could see pretty much everything but wth limted angle, it felt very like 90 fov in the game. So i'd left the small fov for t3 helmets.
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ŋedry 17. nov. kl. 7:34 
bards are not useless, they bring some chill to the game to counter the sweaty try hards like yourself
#5
Zachariah 17. nov. kl. 8:20 
A sub level 100 player typed up this thread.
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\\\\\\\ 17. nov. kl. 8:55 
Oprindeligt skrevet af Zachariah:
A sub level 100 player typed up this thread.
161 lvl. But yes, apparently only the opinion of level 200+ players is taken into account here, of which there are only 300-500 people left out of 1k online on Steam.
And there is no need to change anything at all, because the game is in excellent condition now, and the number of players is increasing every day, right?
Over the past year, I have created several similar topics and several old people always come running and start defending the mess that is currently happening in the game.
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ŋedry 17. nov. kl. 8:58 
Oprindeligt skrevet af \\\\\\\:
Oprindeligt skrevet af Zachariah:
A sub level 100 player typed up this thread.
161 lvl. But yes, apparently only the opinion of level 200+ players is taken into account here, of which there are only 300-500 people left out of 1k online on Steam.
And there is no need to change anything at all, because the game is in excellent condition now, and the number of players is increasing every day, right?
Over the past year, I have created several similar topics and several old people always come running and start defending the mess that is currently happening in the game.
if your ideas are so great then create your own game and make that game what you want it to be.
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\\\\\\\ 17. nov. kl. 9:02 
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Oprindeligt skrevet af \\\\\\\:
161 lvl. But yes, apparently only the opinion of level 200+ players is taken into account here, of which there are only 300-500 people left out of 1k online on Steam.
And there is no need to change anything at all, because the game is in excellent condition now, and the number of players is increasing every day, right?
Over the past year, I have created several similar topics and several old people always come running and start defending the mess that is currently happening in the game.
if your ideas are so great then create your own game and make that game what you want it to be.
Oh, and here comes the developer himself!
#9
ŋedry 17. nov. kl. 9:06 
Oprindeligt skrevet af \\\\\\\:
Oprindeligt skrevet af ŋedry:
if your ideas are so great then create your own game and make that game what you want it to be.
Oh, and here comes the developer himself!
at the end of the day no amount of changes and updates will bring this game back. It had a good run and there is no point changing things now just to suit you
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\\\\\\\ 17. nov. kl. 9:14 
Oprindeligt skrevet af ŋedry:
Oprindeligt skrevet af \\\\\\\:
Oh, and here comes the developer himself!
at the end of the day no amount of changes and updates will bring this game back. It had a good run and there is no point changing things now just to suit you
Then why change anything at all? Why does the developer keep adding new maps to the horde mode once a year? Why did he decide to improve 1 perk now and make some other small changes? Something doesn't add up here. I see that the developers are trying to somehow keep the game afloat, attract new players, but it is obvious that they have chosen an ineffective direction.
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DrunkDwarf 17. nov. kl. 10:24 
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Oprindeligt skrevet af ŋedry:
at the end of the day no amount of changes and updates will bring this game back. It had a good run and there is no point changing things now just to suit you
Then why change anything at all? Why does the developer keep adding new maps to the horde mode once a year? Why did he decide to improve 1 perk now and make some other small changes? Something doesn't add up here. I see that the developers are trying to somehow keep the game afloat, attract new players, but it is obvious that they have chosen an ineffective direction.

Their goals are simply not the same as yours. They aren't trying to revive the game and have huge playercounts, they've already moved on to their next development project.

The changes that are being made are being done by a team of two former modders who have been contracted to work on Mordhau while the rest of the team in their physical studio focus on their next project. That's why we've been getting Demon Horde, and why these other changes are very simple and reminescent of modded changes.
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[‡]=Storky=[‡] 18. nov. kl. 0:14 
Oprindeligt skrevet af ŋedry:
Oprindeligt skrevet af \\\\\\\:
161 lvl. But yes, apparently only the opinion of level 200+ players is taken into account here, of which there are only 300-500 people left out of 1k online on Steam.
And there is no need to change anything at all, because the game is in excellent condition now, and the number of players is increasing every day, right?
Over the past year, I have created several similar topics and several old people always come running and start defending the mess that is currently happening in the game.
if your ideas are so great then create your own game and make that game what you want it to be.
The makishift Mordhau copy has been made, it is Mobius, he needs just to fork it
#13
Bahamut 18. nov. kl. 9:07 
You wasted your energy typing all this out, they're done making any kind of balance changes to this degree, the game is effectively dead now. They went all in on this demon horde bs that no one asked for or wanted.
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DrunkDwarf 18. nov. kl. 9:13 
Oprindeligt skrevet af Bahamut:
that no one asked for or wanted.

Every time someone has stated this, it has always been ignorant and false. Just because you can't imagine that Horde players exist and want more content, does not mean that they don't exist.
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