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rocketgreentea (Banned) 6 Sep, 2024 @ 12:21am
The “Friendly” Problem That Plagues TF2
Gentlemen (Spy quote), it has come to my attention that there has been a large influx of a troubling phenomenon that has taken route in our beloved, timeless classic... AFKers!!! Whose sole purpose is to throw games and ruin the gameplay experience of this game for others. These AFkers call themselves... Friendlies...

The Emergence of the "Friendlies"
These AFKers, they're not simply a disordered assembly of players who've lost their enthusiasm. No, rather they are an organized team with an outstanding ego. They refuse to take part in fights, stand in the way, and show no inclination towards engaging in the game as it was intended to be played. Rather, they do dances, and give health in the form of "Sandviches" to the enemy team, stating that their aim is just to enjoy themselves or establish a serene environment in the game. However, it must not be misinterpreted... These activities are definitely not free from guilt. Through neglecting to participate effectively, they transform every match into an irritating experience for those who engage with the game as it was meant to be played.

The Impact on Gameplay
The existence of these "Friendlies" impacts gameplay severely and negatively. Games become unbalanced, a friendly on the team means that one team is not able to compete on equal terms. While us normal players struggle intensely for a win, these AFK menaces sit by the sidelines twiddling their thumbs. This causes an unavoidable imbalance, where proficient players can't perform well due to not having the support of a teammate. Basically, the presence of friendlies ruins the game for both teams, as one team has an easy steamroll (not fun) while the other gets steamrolled (not fun).

A Call to Action
This increase of teammates that might as well not exist cannot go unnoticed. We have a responsibility to take steps for bringing back the glory days of this game that we love so much. It's crucial that we report these AFKers and urge Valve to take action against them. After all, greifing is against the rules...
(Read more here: https://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Griefing)
We need to promote and encourage the values that brought greatness in this game: working as a team, competing against each other, and feeling accomplished after winning through our own skill. We should NOT let Friendlies spoil the fun for everyone else. It's high time we make these AFKers remember that while tranquility has its own importance, this is NOT the game for it.

[If YOU, dear reader, have any anti-friendly content you would like added to this thread (images, videos, etc. PLEASE submit it. Thank you, and have a nice day/night.]

Remember, Griefing is the act of utilizing or abusing a game mechanic in ways originally unintended by the game's developers for the specific purpose of frustrating, angering, or otherwise negatively impacting the game experience of another player. If we take this to Valve, we might have a chance of ridding ourselves of this menace once and for all.

NEW INFO: steam://openurl/https://gtm.you1.cn/app/440/discussions/0/4511003785959652424/
friendly sympathizers are okay with the bots if they're friendly!!! Oh the hypocrisy!

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Last edited by rocketgreentea; 6 Sep, 2024 @ 11:19am
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Shalk (Banned) 6 Sep, 2024 @ 12:29am 
And b4 people who defend Friendlies have a melt down.
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Tutu 💛™🤍 (ᗜˬᗜ) 6 Sep, 2024 @ 1:17am 
Remove the Wiki part, then it's an excellent thread!

They did that because of my thread in 2020-2021:
https://gtm.you1.cn/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3253821817
https://web.archive.org/web/20210129203702/https://gtm.you1.cn/app/440/discussions/0/2976275080117925375/
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Tutu 💛™🤍 (ᗜˬᗜ) 6 Sep, 2024 @ 1:20am 
Originally posted by Tutu💚™🤍has #SavedTF2:
Remove the Wiki part, then it's an excellent thread!

They did that because of my thread in 2020-2021:
https://gtm.you1.cn/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3253821817
Who are the people in charge?
This site is operated by volunteers from the Team Fortress 2 community. Valve's direct involvement in the day-to-day running of the site is minimal apart from a Terms of Use policy which all contributors must adhere to.

See Group rights for a complete list of users with elevated privileges.

Are staff hired by Valve?
No. All editors are volunteers only. There are a number of Valve representatives however, and they can be found listed here. Please do not contact them with queries; instead, pose questions to the IRC channel or a discussion page.
Moved "intentionally being worthless" to the section below.
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poliakov.noam 6 Sep, 2024 @ 1:40am 
being friendly isnt the problem

being toxic is, all players should stop being toxic and/or forcing their way of playing on others, and just play for themselves.

this is technically also doing that, because youre restricting the game from the diffrent ways it could be played for a playstyle you enjoy
Last edited by poliakov.noam; 6 Sep, 2024 @ 1:42am
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Emily (She/Her) 6 Sep, 2024 @ 1:43am 
Originally posted by poliakov.noam:
being friendly isnt the problem

being toxic is, all players should stop being toxic and/or forcing their way of playing on others, and just play for themselves.

this is technically also doing that, because youre restricting the game from the diffrent ways it could be played for a playstyle you enjoy
idling isnt a playstyle
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poliakov.noam 6 Sep, 2024 @ 1:46am 
Originally posted by Emily (She/Her):
Originally posted by poliakov.noam:
being friendly isnt the problem

being toxic is, all players should stop being toxic and/or forcing their way of playing on others, and just play for themselves.

this is technically also doing that, because youre restricting the game from the diffrent ways it could be played for a playstyle you enjoy
idling isnt a playstyle
i didnt call it a play style, i called playing the game a playstyle

and why would being activaly on youre keyboard be called idling?
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Emily (She/Her) 6 Sep, 2024 @ 1:48am 
Originally posted by poliakov.noam:
Originally posted by Emily (She/Her):
idling isnt a playstyle
i didnt call it a play style, i called playing the game a playstyle

and why would being activaly on youre keyboard be called idling?
becuse your not doing your idling
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poliakov.noam 6 Sep, 2024 @ 1:51am 
Originally posted by Emily (She/Her):
Originally posted by poliakov.noam:
i didnt call it a play style, i called playing the game a playstyle

and why would being activaly on youre keyboard be called idling?
becuse your not doing your idling
huh? idling is when youre not playing the game,
friendlies are activaly enjoying the game and moving around the map, how is that idling?
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Emily (She/Her) 6 Sep, 2024 @ 1:52am 
Originally posted by poliakov.noam:
Originally posted by Emily (She/Her):
becuse your not doing your idling
huh? idling is when youre not playing the game,
friendlies are activaly enjoying the game and moving around the map, how is that idling?
thas not what idle means your thinking of afk which is something else
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Tutu 💛™🤍 (ᗜˬᗜ) 6 Sep, 2024 @ 1:53am 
Originally posted by poliakov.noam:
Originally posted by Emily (She/Her):
becuse your not doing your idling
huh? idling is when youre not playing the game,
friendlies are activaly enjoying the game and moving around the map, how is that idling?
theyre not playing the shooter game they join to
so ye idling
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Fireschlong #2Broke4MannUp 6 Sep, 2024 @ 6:28am 
Why must you create a friendly thread as well? This nothingburger topic is going on for too long already.

Only fake friendlies, who constantly complain from being killed, are a problem.

I will never understand the argument of team imbalance either. One idle player isn't enough to throw off each team's balance, and if more than one friendly in your team exists, chances are that the enemy team has friendlies as well, equalizing the imbalance again. Here's a quote from an older post:
Originally posted by Fireschlong #2Broke4MannUp:
I never understood the argument that you're at a disadvantage because of some friendly.
1. The friendly on your team will usually convince some from the enemy team to be friendly.
2. It's not gonna be half your team full of friendlies, and if it is, then roughly the same amount of enemy players are friendly as well, similar to 1.
3. As if you can't compensate for an AFK player with your skill. More than one, I can understand, but not one. Besides, 1 might still apply.
Last edited by Fireschlong #2Broke4MannUp; 6 Sep, 2024 @ 6:31am
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the 6 Sep, 2024 @ 6:30am 
i didn’t read half of the thread so ill just say
i agree
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Tutu 💛™🤍 (ᗜˬᗜ) 6 Sep, 2024 @ 6:59am 
Originally posted by Fireschlong #2Broke4MannUp:
Why must you create a friendly thread as well? This nothingburger topic is going on for too long already.

Only fake friendlies, who constantly complain from being killed, are a problem.

I will never understand the argument of team imbalance either. One idle player isn't enough to throw off each team's balance, and if more than one friendly in your team exists, chances are that the enemy team has friendlies as well, equalizing the imbalance again. Here's a quote from an older post:
Originally posted by Fireschlong #2Broke4MannUp:
I never understood the argument that you're at a disadvantage because of some friendly.
1. The friendly on your team will usually convince some from the enemy team to be friendly.
2. It's not gonna be half your team full of friendlies, and if it is, then roughly the same amount of enemy players are friendly as well, similar to 1.
3. As if you can't compensate for an AFK player with your skill. More than one, I can understand, but not one. Besides, 1 might still apply.
The potential of team imbalance they could create and consequences of it defeats the need to talk about severeness of the impact of one idler, wait, it's already was because they are not playing the game and therefore should be votekicked.
Yes, also the 1 of yours.

It's also like talking about one AFK player at spawn or one bot.

The effects are still here no matter the size.
6V6 is not the intended experience and ruins fun.
Last edited by Tutu 💛™🤍 (ᗜˬᗜ); 6 Sep, 2024 @ 7:00am
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Fireschlong #2Broke4MannUp 6 Sep, 2024 @ 7:10am 
Originally posted by Tutu💜™🖤has #SavedTF2:
Originally posted by Fireschlong #2Broke4MannUp:
Why must you create a friendly thread as well? This nothingburger topic is going on for too long already.

Only fake friendlies, who constantly complain from being killed, are a problem.

I will never understand the argument of team imbalance either. One idle player isn't enough to throw off each team's balance, and if more than one friendly in your team exists, chances are that the enemy team has friendlies as well, equalizing the imbalance again. Here's a quote from an older post:
The potential of team imbalance they could create and consequences of it defeats the need to talk about severeness of the impact of one idler, wait, it's already was because they are not playing the game and therefore should be votekicked.
Yes, also the 1 of yours.

It's also like talking about one AFK player at spawn or one bot.

The effects are still here no matter the size.
6V6 is not the intended experience and ruins fun.
I dunno, I don't like votekicking players for being idle anyway. I've had a bad experience with someone calling a vote on me because I was eating while waiting to respawn, and when I respawned, someone called a vote on me for not moving immediately.
People always see snapshots and assume that it has been like that all the time, even though that person quickly went to the toilet or so. If they were gone for a significant time, don't you think the server would have autokicked them already?

Wild tangent aside: Like I said, one idle player isn't the deciding factor for being steamrolled. More than one, I can understand, and I won't defend the lack of team balance on that. As a teacher of mine said: One is nothing, two is one too many. (probably sounds better in German)
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CrusaderKing 6 Sep, 2024 @ 7:53am 
I have a grudge against "Friendlies", the ones that barite you for playing the game as it should be, and/or throw a fit for you killing them. You know, the average Soundsmith fanboy. To be honest, I don't care if the dude just wants to dance or vibe in general, to which their own, but I genuinely despise these "Friendlies" that overall are one of the sources of problems in this game alongside the Emporium ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.
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