Eh, I like Khal, but I'm glad to have him set aside. I'm tired of DE's obsession with making us play "someone else" all the time.

That said, at least 1999 is clearly part of the Man in the Wall plot. Feels more consistent than Duviri ever was.

1999 is just a funny throwback to Dark Sector. Chances are the next major update after the Entrati/Void arc will revolve around more Narmer stuff

Agreed

1999 is just another course of events made possible by Eternalism that we get directly involved with, caused by Albrecht going back in time to escape the Murmur.

I mean going back to time is OK. But can't they just made 1999 looks more like the beginning of the Orokin Era? I mean a place with Pre-Orokin era buildings, Pre-Orokin Era civilization, Pre-Orokin era music instead of these our real-life looking citiy. And what's making funny about 1999 is even Excalibur Umbra struggle to control himself when he transform into a warframe and these proto-warframe in 1999 is like "Nah, we're gangsters". If these proto-warframe were able to control themselves and use void power, then why Orokin need us "Tenno" in the future.

Originally posted by Wubba Lubba Dub-Dub:

I mean going back to time is OK. But can't they just made 1999 looks more like the beginning of the Orokin Era? I mean a place with Pre-Orokin era buildings, Pre-Orokin Era civilization, Pre-Orokin era music instead of these our real-life looking citiy. And what's making funny about 1999 is even Excalibur Umbra struggle to control himself when he transform into a warframe and these proto-warframe in 1999 is like "Nah, we're gangsters". If these proto-warframe were able to control themselves and use void power, then why Orokin need us "Tenno" in the future.

i think there is a different between Excal umbra and those proto frames ? Excal umbra are not struggle, he is very mad and want revenge and lost part of the memories , guy became calm after the quest is done, even Ordis stated that Umbra walking around in the ship, as for proto frame, i kind a assume they not fully control by orokin power yet, there is a scene that proto excal hand get control by mystery energy , that energy could be Orokin.

warframe story seems has "time travel and Universe" involved, dont be surprise when the story get more confusing.

Originally posted by Wubba Lubba Dub-Dub:

I mean going back to time is OK. But can't they just made 1999 looks more like the beginning of the Orokin Era? I mean a place with Pre-Orokin era buildings, Pre-Orokin Era civilization, Pre-Orokin era music instead of these our real-life looking citiy. And what's making funny about 1999 is even Excalibur Umbra struggle to control himself when he transform into a warframe and these proto-warframe in 1999 is like "Nah, we're gangsters". If these proto-warframe were able to control themselves and use void power, then why Orokin need us "Tenno" in the future.

Its not made to make sense. The whole idea of the void or whatever is chaos. They just wanted to make a callback to Dark Sector and make Warframes have faces and personalities.

Its always been like that. DE decides they want to try something new and they do it. You are never going to find concrete links between lore because its not supposed to have any.

Originally posted by Cyber Kitten:

Originally posted by Wubba Lubba Dub-Dub:

I mean going back to time is OK. But can't they just made 1999 looks more like the beginning of the Orokin Era? I mean a place with Pre-Orokin era buildings, Pre-Orokin Era civilization, Pre-Orokin era music instead of these our real-life looking citiy. And what's making funny about 1999 is even Excalibur Umbra struggle to control himself when he transform into a warframe and these proto-warframe in 1999 is like "Nah, we're gangsters". If these proto-warframe were able to control themselves and use void power, then why Orokin need us "Tenno" in the future.

Its not made to make sense. The whole idea of the void or whatever is chaos. They just wanted to make a callback to Dark Sector and make Warframes have faces and personalities.

Its always been like that. DE decides they want to try something new and they do it. You are never going to find concrete links between lore because its not supposed to have any.

To be fair, the lore got tidied up nicely with New War and Zariman. Sanctum is like the start of another season of the show and we're far from the point where it starts to make sense again.

Funny, cause I actually love direction of 1999 and don't at all see it at odds with the other veins of the story.

- Umbra's story is done, that was all told in The Sacrifice with nothing more to elaborate on
- Stalker could be expanded on in the future but not in a major quest as he's not an MC, like y'know the Tenno. Smaller updates fit for wherever his story goes.
- Orokin have had their tale told as well via glimpses into them through Codex, Ballas, the Entratis, etc. There's no point in doing a major update around a group of wannabe gods
- 1999 is very much within "The Void" vein of lore as well as Eternalism that I love
- Love Kahl, don't think he should be the center of a major questline
- Pazuul would make more sense in a future Tau major quest not current events with Wally

Now what 1999 is offering:

- A brand new location that actually feels like civilization in a world that from everything put forward so far could have some amazing potential (still looking at DE begging for the infested horror theme park to be a thing we get to actually visit). Very much in the vein of a Parasite Eve
- Awesome new human characters both ally and enemy, where more could be introduced if 1999 does well and continues to be expanded on
- Furthering the Tenno story including...
- Romance system
- More Eternalism * multiverse exploration
- Whatever is going on with Albrecht and Wally
- Scifi Espionage vibes

So most of the things OP mentions are what I'd put as small-mid update stuff, while 1999 is major cinematic quest-worthy. Also I wouldn't at all want Orokin architecture as that's basically already been via Duviri and Zariman. I'd rather it continues to lean into exactly the elements that pull me into the game: Scifi RPG that have a feel of familiarity.

Also to those making commentary about it not making sense, um make sense roughly to me just fine. The only pieces of the puzzle I'm wanting to have clarification on is how the multiverse works, since there's Arthur getting the CODA virus unleashed in 1999 and having it affect the OG branchiline. Since I do fully think 1999 is going to be its own branch that runs parallel to the OG one; not a messy af singular timeline.

person not paying attention to the plot: man the plot doesnt make any gosh darn dang sense!

Originally posted by TaKo:

person not paying attention to the plot: man the plot doesnt make any gosh darn dang sense!

person who's not reading carefully to the discussion : man this guy not paying attention to the plot

Originally posted by Wandering Flare:

Originally posted by Cyber Kitten:

Its not made to make sense. The whole idea of the void or whatever is chaos. They just wanted to make a callback to Dark Sector and make Warframes have faces and personalities.

Its always been like that. DE decides they want to try something new and they do it. You are never going to find concrete links between lore because its not supposed to have any.

To be fair, the lore got tidied up nicely with New War and Zariman. Sanctum is like the start of another season of the show and we're far from the point where it starts to make sense again.

I feel like I'm being sent to a different game with different universe. I'm not saying 1999 storyline is going to bad. I do love human beings with warframe power running around and fighting things. But as I said above, they could just make Pre-Orokin Era 1999 civilization theme and lore-accurate proto-warframes.

Originally posted by Wubba Lubba Dub-Dub:

person who's not reading carefully to the discussion : man this guy not paying attention to the plot

"no, you! >:("

anyways, the proto frames of 1999 are infested, they have a helminth strain in their system and thats where they got their powers, from entratti offering that to them and we will likely learn more about how this came to be in the future, and the infested are a core part of the plot of 1999 you simply are not paying attention to anything

the theories of time of this universe have been featured in many different quests and aspects of the game as well, again, this is on you

also calling arthur a raiden copy cat is very funny, real "guy whos only ever seen a man in a tight body suit once" situation

Originally posted by Illusive Soul:

Originally posted by Wubba Lubba Dub-Dub:

I mean going back to time is OK. But can't they just made 1999 looks more like the beginning of the Orokin Era? I mean a place with Pre-Orokin era buildings, Pre-Orokin Era civilization, Pre-Orokin era music instead of these our real-life looking citiy. And what's making funny about 1999 is even Excalibur Umbra struggle to control himself when he transform into a warframe and these proto-warframe in 1999 is like "Nah, we're gangsters". If these proto-warframe were able to control themselves and use void power, then why Orokin need us "Tenno" in the future.

i think there is a different between Excal umbra and those proto frames ? Excal umbra are not struggle, he is very mad and want revenge and lost part of the memories , guy became calm after the quest is done, even Ordis stated that Umbra walking around in the ship, as for proto frame, i kind a assume they not fully control by orokin power yet, there is a scene that proto excal hand get control by mystery energy , that energy could be Orokin.

warframe story seems has "time travel and Universe" involved, dont be surprise when the story get more confusing.

He did struggle to control himself and kill his son at first.

Originally posted by Wubba Lubba Dub-Dub:

But as I said above, they could just make Pre-Orokin Era 1999 civilization theme

so you want 1999 to look more like the current WF future and therefore lose its appeal and themes?

you do realize that WF is set in a very very VERY distant future right? like many thousands of years into the future

Originally posted by Wubba Lubba Dub-Dub:

and lore-accurate proto-warframes.

and what does this mean? how are the proto frames not lore accurate?