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mdesaleah

4 Apr, 2020 @ 5:50am

One of the Best in the Series (Welcome, New Fans)

By far this is still the game with the most content with replay value, best story, and best ranking system thats actually difficult and requires mastering. There's a reason this was the best selling third party game on Gamecube and still has a fan following today.

If its not the favorite for you, then its most likely in top 5 for sure.

One of those, hard to learn and fun to master games.

Edit: http://info.sonicretro.org/Sonic_Adventure_2_-_The_Truth_of_50_Years_Ago...

Some backstory the main game leaves vague and translated from a Japanese only guide.

Already knew about this, but since it never got officially translated it might be new information you haven’t seen.

How To Make Your Own Levels: Feel free to check out this tutorial for how to make your own SA2 level: https://gamebanana.com/tuts/15179 (not my guide)

Making a basic level only takes about 20 minutes, and you won't need to know how to code. However, for more advanced features such as rails or automated loops, you will need to know how to code to add those in, until new tools come out.

All you'll need is blender, a sonic adventure 2 add-on for blender, and a program called 'SATools,' and all of the links you need are included in the tutorial. You can either follow the steps or watch the indepth video.

Edit: Official Shadow Generations Shorts

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZK8bse3Quo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2fwSuA7nbI

Edit: https://i.imgur.com/JA8vP5Z.png heres an obscure Japanese only one page comic that ends up adding some nice added context

Edit: really good explanation of how the ranking positively influenced the level design

https://m.youtube.com/watch?index=2238&list=LLqCNit03-7g5g4vJbdKZnCA&v=mlz-K3tRVxQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MLrvh4Fgi4&ab_channel=Eldarin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqB9tZrR6DQ&ab_channel=Acruxicon

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Originally posted by NBOX21:

It's important to mention that while there are a lot of fans that enjoy SA2 out of nostalgia and had fond memories of playing it back in the day, it is by no means the only reason that this game is looked back on so fondly. There are plenty of games out there that people had fond memories of playing back then, only to realise they're nowhere near as good as you remember them back in the day, or in some cases, straight up awful.

I would know this, as I recently played through Pokémon Diamond and Pearl again, games I had a ton of nostalgia for back in the DS era (they were the first games in that series I ever played), only to realise now that those games are among some of the worst in that franchise. Despite having good map design, great music and an amazing final battle, it's held back by bad pacing, slow gameplay, several bad design decisions and a story about as poorly written as Sonic Forces with a villain about as interesting as Infinite was, as in not interesting in the slightest (both villains also just... disappear at the end with no payoff or conclusion whatsoever).

Sonic Adventure 2, however, is not one of those games. While I never had nostalgia for it back in the Dreamcast or GameCube era, the fact that you don't need a strong nostalgic attachment to enjoy a game like this just goes to show how well it's held up and how good it still is to this day. There's a reason why you see plenty of videos online analysing how good the level design is, how surprisingly well-written the story was and how well all of that ties into the overall experience. If nostalgia was the only reason people like the game, nobody would be talking about any of these qualities the way they do today.

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Sixtyfivekills has Sonic Adventure™ 2

4 Apr, 2020 @ 5:58am

+ introduced the best character.

Riders and Unleashed are quite high in my list.

NBOX21

4 Apr, 2020 @ 12:52pm

Heroes and Unleashed (HD) also had a challenging ranking system where it felt good to refine your skills and get the best rank. Unlike Shadow or Forces, you can't just get the best rank simply by getting to the end as fast as possible.

Also, unlike Adventure 1, I actually have a reason to replay stages I've already completed besides grinding for rings or animals for the chao garden.

MVP

4 Apr, 2020 @ 2:14pm

100% agree, especially on the ranking system. As much as I love Sonic Adventure 1, the lack of a proper ranking system severely impacts the replayability. I find myself making challenges all the time on SA2... fastest A rank, fastest perfect (on stages you can get all the rings, anyway), fastest A rank and perfect, absolute highest score possible, etc. The fact that you get awarded for more than just speed is a massive plus.

And the story is the best in the series by at least twelve hundred miles. It's even better when you install this mod to experience everything in order and in one free flowing arc: https://gamebanana.com/gamefiles/10687

SA2 is the best Sonic game and platformer I have come across. I always thought it was just childhood nostalgia, but playing it again as an adult has reaffirmed this

This game also has the definitive voices for every character, with maybe only Rogue being a little spotty. I think it's just because she is also the Omochao voice, so by default you find it a little annoying. Every one else has the best voice in the series. No idea what they did to Tails in every game after this...

Ikagura

4 Apr, 2020 @ 3:42pm

It's your opinion and you have the right to have one even if it's factually wrong you know?

I mean especially since this exists https://gtm.you1.cn/storesteam/app/584400/Sonic_Mania/

Ikagura

4 Apr, 2020 @ 3:48pm

SA2 is like the Matrix of the video game, it tried to do too many things at once and many elements have badly aged yet there are so many fans because of nostalgia.

If you want me to talk about Modern Sonic game then there's SomeCallMeJonny who said that Colors is better than SA2 anyway and he's a great reviewer!

https://youtu.be/h6F4iL08_O4

PS: I'm wondering if you're not the same guy as DarkSonic180

Last edited by Ikagura; 4 Apr, 2020 @ 3:48pm

Sixtyfivekills has Sonic Adventure™ 2

4 Apr, 2020 @ 9:41pm

Originally posted by Ikagura:
It's your opinion and you have the right to have one even if it's factually wrong you know?

Says a guy that takes opinions of some random youtube celebrities for granted. You're a sheep.

erc493

5 Apr, 2020 @ 2:30am

Originally posted by Ikagura:
SA2 is like the Matrix of the video game, it tried to do too many things at once and many elements have badly aged yet there are so many fans because of nostalgia.

If you want me to talk about Modern Sonic game then there's SomeCallMeJonny who said that Colors is better than SA2 anyway and he's a great reviewer!

https://youtu.be/h6F4iL08_O4

PS: I'm wondering if you're not the same guy as DarkSonic180

sonic colors is not really good at all it had flat jokes and who at sega thinking to give sonic a comedy guy, the stages feels sometimes short (this one in the ateroid world was a kind of joke stage) and the game himself is not long (no chaos emeralds stoy relevated awe!)

Sonic Heroes still at my nummber one cuz the stages feels wide open the best level design still with a little fighting, fly and speed system its cool and to have so many character and i really liked the final boss but yeah.

2nd Sonic Adventure 2, 3rd Sonic Adventure Dx (dreamcast converation), 4th Sonic 06, 5th Sonic Riders, 6th Sonic Riders Zero Gravity

Sonic Riders the first two are better than the 3 sonic kart racers cuz it has a animated story!

Last edited by erc493; 5 Apr, 2020 @ 2:33am

NBOX21

5 Apr, 2020 @ 3:02am

Originally posted by erc493:
Sonic Riders the first two are better than the 3 sonic kart racers cuz it has a animated story!

Well, good stories don't exactly make for good games by themselves, but I would absolutely agree that I had more fun with Riders than the other racing games. I say "I" because it's a very difficult game to get into with a lot of mechanics and features that a first time player will never understand, but are expected to master in order to even get anywhere in the story, but once you get it down, it's a lot of fun and a blast to play with friends who are also really good at the game, if you have any that is. And unlike Sonic Team's previous PS2 efforts, Riders 1 on PS2 actually runs and plays just as well as the GCN and Xbox versions.

All Stars Racing and Transformed are a lot more accessible and I'd recommend that one more to casual players who just want to jump right in, but Riders 1 is way more interesting as a game, both in the gameplay and story, than its sequels and the kart racers. The biggest flaw with Riders 1, which is what turns a lot of players off, myself included at first, is the incredibly steep learning curve. Zero Gravity went too far in the opposite direction - very easy to get into, but not a lot to master, but still fun for a quick play session.

Also, I really enjoyed the story in both games, Riders 1 especially! Yeah, there are some dumb things about it, but it's a racing game so it's kinda hard to establish good plots in a racing game, with Jak X being the closest comparison.

Last edited by NBOX21; 5 Apr, 2020 @ 3:04am

Ikagura

5 Apr, 2020 @ 3:03am

Originally posted by erc493:
Sonic Riders the first two are better than the 3 sonic kart racers cuz it has a animated story!

A racing game doesn't need a story, Mario Kart has always and will always be better than any racing game Sega has done

♱†♱SamK♱†♱ has Sonic Adventure™ 2

9 Apr, 2020 @ 3:00am

Originally posted by Ikagura:
Originally posted by erc493:
Sonic Riders the first two are better than the 3 sonic kart racers cuz it has a animated story!
A racing game doesn't need a story, Mario Kart has always and will always be better than any racing game Sega has done

hope nintendo sees this bro

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Zane.Zebes has Sonic Adventure™ 2

9 Apr, 2020 @ 7:35am

Don't get me wrong, I love this game because I played it is a kid and it was my first 3D sonic game, but there is SO much wrong with this game, which is why I have never put the effort in to get all 180 emblems. I just finished the Dark story and I can't believe that last Shadow vs Sonic was ever play tested, I've never found a consistent method of damaging him, what works on each attempt just feels like luck :/

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Zane.Zebes has Sonic Adventure™ 2

9 Apr, 2020 @ 9:17am

Originally posted by mdesaleah:
Originally posted by Big-Zee:
Don't get me wrong, I love this game because I played it is a kid and it was my first 3D sonic game, but there is SO much wrong with this game, which is why I have never put the effort in to get all 180 emblems. I just finished the Dark story and I can't believe that last Shadow vs Sonic was ever play tested, I've never found a consistent method of damaging him, what works on each attempt just feels like luck :/
That fight is pretty simple. Wait for him to get ahead of you. He’ll use his special move, then spindash into him before the special move hits you

Hmm, I'll have to give that a go when I'm the other side of that battle, thanks.

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mdesaleah

9 Apr, 2020 @ 9:26am

Originally posted by Big-Zee:
Originally posted by mdesaleah:
That fight is pretty simple. Wait for him to get ahead of you. He’ll use his special move, then spindash into him before the special move hits you

Hmm, I'll have to give that a go when I'm the other side of that battle, thanks.

They stop moving when they use their special, so it leaves them wide open. Just don’t wait too long or the platforms will fall

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Ikagura

9 Apr, 2020 @ 10:09am

Actually the story is kinda filled with many plot-holes, even Heroes or Lost World made more sense.

Most content? You mean most actually good or just adding stuff for the sake of artificially elongating the game?

And the ranking system isn't perfect either, some stages are straight up unfair while some other are purely RNG-based.

I can understand why people like the game but let's be honest it's just for redoing the Sonic and Shadow stages to grind the chaos in the garden...

Like how people like Unleashed because they redo the day stages

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